haelina wrote:

NO, JUST NO! Please delete this information!

It's an ancient version of flash and of browsers, it will open you computer for all kinds of attacks, hacks, viruses... is it worth it just to be able to play their game?

The end of flash was announced on July 25th 2017!

They did NOTHING about it until the end of 2020. What the hell did they think? That flash won't end? Just because they don't want it to!

PLEASE do NOT do this!

haelina, thank you for sharing this!!

Please note that I am just passing on the "official" temporary fix as suggested by "Sarah [Feerik] and the whole team." In no way does the sharing of this information mean I am recommending it. 

Personally, I will NOT be doing this. I know enough about my own computer skills to know this is way beyond my knowledge. Even if I got my son's help, I still wouldn't want to do it. I'd be too worried about something going wrong, or deleting something I shouldn't, etc.  Plus, I agree with you haelina...they had enough notice about the Flash issue that the switchover and bug fixes could be fixed by now. I shouldn't have to go to such lengths to be able to play OMD. Nor, do I think, should any of you.

Again, if you do decide to try this, you do so at your own risk.

did anybody try supernova yet? it also uses chromium and should be safer. anyway, thanks for the guide!

FOR THOSE WILLING TO TAKE THE RISK WITH THIS DOWNGRADE:

I suppose waterfox and/or pale moon would work with this method, no need to use chromium. I think (since both are derived from firefox and pale moon uses older firefox builds).

My personal reasons to not have tried this "backdoor solution, held together by hope, spit and duct tape" are:
1) I heard flash 31 (which also lacks the kill-switch) also works (this tutorial shows flash 20-something)
2) there was a Windows update (not sure if only win10 or if 7, 8 and 8.1 as well) blocking flash, so you may need to bypass THAT as well
3) I'm still afraid I won't be able to reinstall flash after uninstalling (keeping the inactive flash allows me to run certain things via run-as-date)

as for the security risks: they can be reduced with virtual machines or running Linux from a USB stick, if you REALLY need to use flash, but aren't willing to take any risks... which sounds even more complicated than the tutorial above...


also, 3 years may sound like a lot of time, specialy since we're talking about informatics here, but:
1) flash player announced its death after having been arround for what? 15 years? and they want users to find a solution to their shutdown 5 times faster than it took to develop the software, not making the source code available for those who may need it.
2) the alternatives aren't always ideal, as anyone who still has a black background in their rooms may have noticed:
>Unity seems to think everyone and their grannies have computers with 128GB RAM and therefore don't bother to prevent their software from leaking memmory, meaning anyone with a 32-bit OS will be unable to play this game (since webGL refuses to work on those, even when there is enough RAM) untill they get a 64-bit OS (and likelly, more RAM as well).
>Not to mention it takes people a while to learn how to use a new ENGINE, since the programming languages are often not the same, much like flash and webGL/Unity are not quite the same thing, the methods to achieve the same goal are just not the same. converting Unity webplayer games to webGL was a piece of cake because BOTH are developed by the very same company.
>While HTML5 is more 32-bit friendly than webGL, back when adobe announced the death of flash, HTML5 was just plain horrible to play on, and again, different engine, different methods, re-learn everything you likely spent 4+ years learning, when your deadline is in 3 years.
3) flash emulators had to do in 3 years what adobe and the previous flash player owners did in 15 years, and more than likely with fewer funds/personel and not being abble to afford working on it full-time (plus no access to flash's source code, and likely would face a legal process for attempting to use that):
>Supernova doesn't have an ETA to work on firefox/other browsers than chrome;
>Ruffle doesn't support AS3 yet (which OMD and most flash games of the past decade use);
>Bluemaxima: even the minimalist version will cost you 2GB of disk space, and I have no idea if it'll work on flash-reliant sites or just on individual swf objects, let alone if it communicates with the server, should you need it to (earning the OhMyGames currency or OhMyJackpot prizes)

I forgot what else I was going to say...
Edit: oops, sorry for the wall of text xP

Last edited by darkjewels (2021-01-23 05:19:45)

Perhaps my question is not that intelligent, but I am not a tech person (nor morning person but that is another story ), but if I get a computer with an old version browser, will the flash app work there? or will I have still problems with Flash?

andybel wrote:

Perhaps my question is not that intelligent, but I am not a tech person (nor morning person but that is another story ), but if I get a computer with an old version browser, will the flash app work there? or will I have still problems with Flash?

the answer is not that obvious. if it was, I would have downgraded flash back when I 1st heard of jan 12th, instead of hoping the black BG on webGL gets fixed soon (is anyone else still having it?)

even with a browser that still supports it, flash will only work if you use an older version (of flash) or if you manage to make the software think it isn't jan 12th yet by changing the system's clock (which can break manny things, including flash itself, until the date is corrected) or by using a software named "run as date" by nirsoft, though you'll have to use the 32 bit version for 32 bit software (likely flash's case), as the 64 bit version of run as date will not work on 32 bit software for some reason. if you pick the wrong version of flash player, you may experience stuttering, lag and a few other problems.

if you choose to use run-as-date, be sure to pick a 32bit browser, as I didn't have much luck with run as date 64bit (and let us know if you had better luck)

windows 10 also had an update that blocks flash content from running, so if you're using that OS, you may have to take additional steps to get flash to work besides just using older flash versions.

regardless of which version you pick, be mindful of security risks and make sure your antivirus, antispyware, antimalware are all up-to-date. or use a "throwaway" computer for that. or a virtual machine/boot linux from a flash drive, if you know how (I don't).

Edit: typos

Last edited by darkjewels (2021-02-01 03:06:49)

mini-peri wrote:

well i am on a linux pc so i cannot do any of this lol. will they really change to unity or will they call it a day and call this method "fixing"? i am curious about that.

I think web archieve has a flash installer for linux, but try it at your own risk. I have no idea if WINE allows you to install windows' flash + windows version of browser + run both to see what happens... does that even make sense? or keep checking if ruffle made any progress with the AS3 support...

answering your question: I think they'll change to webGL for good and remove the flash option once all of the conversions (fashion show, ohmyloft, secret diary, etc.) are done. and once all rooms have backgrounds on all servers. and once the animated and the special items (such as the clone doll) are working as intended... this may take... a while, to say the least...

@willowskye: could you correct my above statement if I'm wrong?

EDIT: if you try to run the flash elements of OMD in ruffle, the warning screen should have a "more info" button (I'm on version 2021/02/03), and if you click, that, at the bottom, they mention another flash emulator named "lightspark". did anyone try that yet? (I can only test it tomorrow). it has a browser plugin version and runs on both windows and linux.

Last edited by darkjewels (2021-02-03 09:38:15)

So... Actually it's imposible to play ohmygames and see boutique store anymore?

Last edited by arlekinlain (2024-02-13 01:53:15)

arlekinlain wrote:

So... Actually it's imposible to play ohmygames and see boutique store anymore?

unless you can get it to work with ruffle emulation or they convert it to unity webgl like they did to the lofts...